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Health and Social Care Committee |
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Committee Room 3 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Thursday, 19 March 2015 |
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Meeting time: |
09.01 - 15.35 |
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Assembly Members: |
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David Rees AM (Chair) Alun Davies AM Janet Finch-Saunders AM Elin Jones AM Darren Millar AM Lynne Neagle AM Gwyn R Price AM Jenny Rathbone AM (In place of John Griffiths AM) Lindsay Whittle AM Kirsty Williams AM (For items 3 and 7 -12) Peter Black AM (In place of Kirsty Williams AM for items 1 - 2 and 4 - 6) |
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Witnesses: |
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Kirsty Williams AM, Member in charge of the Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill Lisa Salkeld, National Assembly for Wales Commission Philippa Watkins, National Assembly for Wales Commission Mark Drakeford AM, the Minister for Health and Social Services Vaughan Gething AM, the Deputy Minister for Health Dr Andrew Goodall, Welsh Government Albert Heaney, Welsh Government Dr Ruth Hussey, Welsh Government Martin Sollis, Welsh Government Melanie Minty, Care Forum Wales Anne Thomas, Linc Cymru and representing Care Forum Wales Michele Millard, Spire Cardiff Hospital and representing Welsh Independent Healthcare Association Simon Rogers, Welsh Independent Healthcare Association Sue Goodman, The Wallich Antonia Watson, The Wallich Stephen Coole, NUS Wales Lucy-Ann Henry, NUS Wales Nick McLain, Gwent Police Paul Roberts, Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons Jon Stratford, South Wales Police |
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Committee Staff: |
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Llinos Madeley (Clerk) Helen Finlayson (Second Clerk) Sian Giddins (Deputy Clerk) Rhys Morgan (Deputy Clerk) Enrico Carpanini (Legal Adviser) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Adviser) Elfyn Henderson (Researcher) Martin Jennings (Researcher) Sian Thomas (Researcher) Philippa Watkins (Researcher) |
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Transcript
View the meeting transcript.
1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions
1.1 Apologies were received from John Griffiths. Jenny Rathbone substituted.
1.2 For items relating to the Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill, Peter Black substituted for Kirsty Williams.
2 Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill: evidence session 14
2.1 Kirsty Williams, the Member in charge of the Bill, responded to questions from Members.
3 Scrutiny of the Minister for Health and Social Services and the Deputy Minister for Health: general and financial scrutiny
3.1 The Minister and Deputy Minister responded to questions from Members.
3.2 The Minister agreed to:
· provide background statistical information relating to the number of individuals in Wales who have chronic illnesses and the number in receipt of treatments;
· alert the Committee when the national report of the ‘Trusted to Care spot checks of older people’s mental health wards in Wales is published;
· write to the Committee to provide details of the capital programme allocations in Betsi Cadwaladar University Health Board’s draft three-year plan, with specific reference to any plans for the development of Ysbyty Gwynedd’s emergency department; and
· review the Welsh Government’s guidance in relation to local health board service change to ensure that it provides adequately for engagement with staff who might be affected.
4 Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill: evidence session 15
4.1 The witnesses responded to questions from Members.
5 Motion under Standing Order 17.42(vi) to resolve to exclude the public from items 6, 7 and 12 of the meeting and for item 1 of the meeting on 25 March 2015
5.1 The motion was agreed.
6 Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill: consideration of evidence received
6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.
6.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for Health and Social Services to request clarification about whether the Acuity Tool Governance Framework (when validated) will include fixed staffing ratios that apply to all medical and surgical adult in-patient wards.
7 Scrutiny of the Minister for Health and Social Services and the Deputy Minister for Health: consideration of evidence received
7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.
7.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for Health and Social Services in relation to guidance on safe levels of locum use.
8 Inquiry into alcohol and substance misuse: evidence session 7
8.1 The witnesses responded to questions from Members.
9 Inquiry into alcohol and substance misuse: evidence session 8
9.2 The witnesses agreed to:
- provide the Committee with a copy of the NUS strategy organised bar crawls; and
- a copy of the NUS interim report findings.
10 Inquiry into alcohol and substance misuse: evidence session 9
10.2 The witnesses agreed to:
- provide the Committee with figures on the number of arrests and/or offences where alcohol was a contributory factor; and
- figures on call demand and incident demand over a given week.
11 Papers to note
11.1 Minutes of the meeting held on 5 March 2015
11.1a The Committee agreed to amend the minute of the meeting on 5 March to include details of the additional information Members agreed to request from local health boards and the Welsh Independent Healthcare Association regarding the Safe Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Bill.
11.2 Supplementary Legislative Consent Memorandum - Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill: correspondence from the Presiding Officer
11.2a The Committee noted the correspondence and agreed to write to the Presiding Officer to highlight the importance of the Assembly’s role in scrutinising LCMs.
11.3 Correspondence from the Petitions Committee: P-04-625 Support for Safe Nursing Staffing Levels
11.3a The Committee noted the correspondence.
12 Inquiry into alcohol and substance misuse: consideration of evidence received
12.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.